In March of 2005 I heard of two men who where running IC engines one fully and the other partially on Electrolyzed water. I had tried to replicate Stanley Meyers resonance electrolysis in 1998 with absolutely no success. So I already had a what I thought was a well constructed electrolyzer. Peter Lowrie (who lives at Lower Hut, New Zealand) showed me that it was not. I was powering it with wires coming in above the electrolyzer fluid level. Any loose connection here (which would inevitably eventually occur) would lead to an unwanted explosion and complete destruction of the equipment. I immediately modified it to have the connections come in from the bottom. The other person was Taufique R Khan. He was running a motorcycle on 25% of its normal gas consumption by using Electrolyzed water. His system was a series of 13 plates 2.5 " in diameter that looked like  meat grinder disks made into an electrolyzer. He immediately went commercial as he easily got financing in his home country of India.
Peter Lowrie started his discussion group late in December 2004. As I said above it was in March that I heard of it.
Peter Lowrie's Yahoo discussion group was closed the end of March 2006.

Peter Lowrie went commercial on October 20th 2005. His web site is: http://www.egaspower.com

I thank Peter Lowrie for the information that inspired me to set up this organization to promote best practices of electrolyzer construction for both safety and  reliability. It is informal at the moment but eventually will become formal requiring membership fees to cover expenses. We will endeavor to keep the fees minimal. We have about  a dozen members at present.

Here are the papers I wrote and posted on the egaspower discussion group and the dates they where written:

Questions  Beginners Commonly ask and my Answers       July 4, 2005

Willards Factors Revision 2        April 5, 2005

Willards Factors Revision 3        April 14, 2005

Willards Factors Revision 4        September 10, 2005

What Is Needed to Run an Internal Combustion Engine on e-gas       September 10, 2005

 What is needed to Run an Internal Combustion Engine on e-gas       March 10,2006

Theory on Archie Blue and Charles Garret Carburetors       August 19, 2005

Additional Data       December 26, 2005

Figure of Merit        January 10, 2006 and  Revised March 5th 2006

Coincidence in Gas Consumption        March 5 th 2006

Here are additional files written after the egaspower group was closed:

Coincidence in Gas Consumption       Revised October 30, 2006

Summary of my findings of Peter Lowries Archie Blue Cells   October 23, 2006

Electrolyzer Enclosure  December 1, 2006 Here is an enclosure design that can be pressurized up to 60 PSI

There are pictures of my experiments here

See Patrick Kellys excellent guide to electrolyzer construction at D6.pdf  D9.pdf and  D16.pdf
in the watercar  yahoo group files section
 
 

Two people have achieved production of Hydroxy at a rate of one liter per watt hour. They are Doug Bender of High River Alberta, Canada and Bob Boyce of Kentucky U.S.A. The method used was first patented by Sam Rubin in 1922. Patent # 1,431.047. Using this method it is quite easy to start a gasoline engine and idle it on onboard produced gas.

Now in this last week I have heard of two men that have introduced what appears to be the ultimate in electrolyzes.
The construction is based on 25 thousands of an inch spacing of stainless steel plates in a stack of 14 plates 1/16 of an inch thick. The plate pack is effectively 1.5 inches wide and 8 inches long by 1.2 inches thick. The actual plates are 2 inches wide but the outer 1/4 inch on each side is ineffective as it contains spacing material. The water is split by using the plates as the capacitor of a resonant circuit containing a suitable inductor. Power is introduced to this resonant circuit. Each kilowatt of power is capable of electrolyzing 2.5  US gallons of water per minute.The two men are Kevin West and Paul Zigouras. Kevin West introduced the 0.025 plate spacing, the 8" by 2" pack and the circuitry to drive it. Paul Zigouras improved the drive circuit and built larger (36 plate) stacks. Operating voltage is 13.9 volts. Current is variable depending on demand but can be as much as 160 amps.
Paul Zigouras did a dynamometer check on an engine running on the gas produced by 2224 watts of electrolysis. It produced 150 horsepower! Just to do a little math that is a 50 to1 power increase and that's not allowing for the fact that an internal combustion engine is only 24% efficient and alternators are usually not over 66% efficient.
Zigouras Racing of Brockton Massachusetts, U. S. A. expects to have a marine engine ready to market by March 15, 2007 that includes the water splitter

The 14 plate cell with anodized aluminum plates drew almost no current. It produced no gas when submesed in water 1/2 way up. Current was 0.05 Ampers at 14 volts and 0.2 ampers at 60 volts.
Resonance by a suitable inductor increased the P to P voltage and the amperage by about 20%.
My conclusion from this is that the water must be in electrical contact with the plates to produce gas.

Here are my findings on the 8 plate SS Cell spaced at 25 thousandths
and operated at 35 Killohertz with a perfect 50% duty cycle square wave.

1. The cell can be run at 65 volts with a 60 volt P to P
signal between the plates.

2. If a small amount of water is sprayed in it will
electrolyze befor exiting the other end.

3 However electrolysis is a slow process and if too much
water is sprayed in it will come out the other side as
water.

4. Considerable heat is built up on the plates as anything
over 1.47 volts creates heat.

5. After it was stopped and restarted the 60 volts P to P
dropped to about 10 volts P to P. It never returned to
the starting condition. Prehaps if dissasembled and
cleaned this condition could be restored.

6. In my tests at no time did the power drop to below 14
volts on the input. The maximum current was 1.5 Amps.
Now the water in my city is relativly soft. In other
places there are more minerals in the water. It
will likely be the case that the current needed would be
several times 1.5 amps in these cities. However I find it
unlikely that 160 amps would ever be required.

I will do a test to measure the gas volume as the 10 volt P to P on
top of the electrolyzing voltage may have increased output.

I will also do a test with added salts or electrolyte to get the 160
amp draw claimed and see how much water this is capable of handeling.

I somehow doubt that 2.5 gallons of water per minute could be handled
by a cell with only 1.1 square foot of cell area.

Ther are only a dozen people (living) that have claimed to run an Internal Combustion Engine on e-gas.

The following claim to have run internal combustion engines on e-gas:

Bob Boyce Idled his car at 60 MPH with the rear wheels jacked off the ground on self produced e-gas
Donald Brisbie (A friend of Herman Anderson) Idled his Ford Pickup Truck on on board produced e-gas
Willard and Jack for 12 to 14 seconds Ran a 50 cc Honda generator at full load
Bill Williams Idled For 6 minutes
Ronald ran for up to 5 minutes once but mostly under one minute
Peter Lowrie  17 minutes (Acording to Mark Dansie this was the only time he ran it succesfully)
Walt Hofmann Ran a 5 horspower grass edger for a 2 seconds at a time from 14 volts at 18 Amps
Ron in San Jose
Tero Ranta ran for 10 seconds on e-gas produced over a 1 minute period
Daniel Voss ran V8  idling at 2000 RPM on 285 liters per minute produced by external power
Alihue Sheppard of Clay city (A friend of James Allen) Ran a small AC generator off of e-gas
Paul Zigouras Produced 150 horsepower by use of a series of his cells in the intake manifold

Her are a couple of posts to the Water4gas Yahoo Group from Paul Zigouras that includes new information.

Firt post:
From: Paul <Paul@ZigourasRacing.com>
To: Water4Gas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Water4Gas] ECM's (electronic control modules) by Paul Zigouras
Date: Oct 6, 2007 10:35 PM

Brad,
 
You're thinking of the old ECM's that we developed in 2006.  Those were sold out and can no longer be produced by us.
 
The ones for sale on ebay are some early experimental controllers that we've either built in the past, or copies of the ones that we are building for local guys trying to upgrade their cars to run on water only.  These controllers put out a very clean pulse wave at very high current.  They are used for high-volume electrolysis using plates or large tubes.
 
These devices cut the current requirements quite a bit, but they are much different from the system we sold.  That system was much more sophisitcated and used over 13 different sensors to monitor water temp, cell temp, water flow volume, resistance, pressure, and so on.  The system then adjusted the pulse frequency, modulation, and amplitude in real time.
 
The modules on ebay do none of this.  They are fixed frequency, although they seem to do the job quite well for what they are.
 
Paul
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Brad
To: Water4Gas@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Water4Gas] ECM's (electronic control modules) by Paul Zigouras
 

I thought this guy sold out??? WTF???

Something don't smell right.... HMMMMMMM.......
 
 
 

At 07:26 PM 10/5/2007, you wrote:
 

Just wanted to let you know that Paul Zigouras from Zigouras Racing is
offering controllers for your cells. They are auctioning off the last
few units that they built. The eBay item numbers are 120168385053 and
120168182691.

I wish I could afford these units because the quality is absolutely
unique. Grab them fast if you can. If you need support write to Paul -
he's a distinguished member of this group!

Ozzie Freedom
 

 
Second post:

From: Paul <Paul@ZigourasRacing.com> 
To: Water4Gas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Water4Gas] ECM's (electronic control modules) by Paul Zigouras
Date: Oct 7, 2007 6:18 PM

We don't feel that they are expensive -- especially since we are selling most of them at a loss.  Our full time electronics guys (when we had them) got paid a total of $1600/week, plus insurance, plus the parts that we had to buy.  Nothing is free when it comes to manufacturing.
 
The older ones could run a V8 just fine, but then again, so can these.  It's just a matter of getting them adjusted and dialed in.
 
Getting a motor to run on HHO gas is very easy; anyone can do that.  Getting it to run without killing the battery is what's almost impossible.  We've never seen any system that can run an engine with power to spare, other than Meyer's.  Even our best system showed a net loss at the end, and would not run forever.  You can't run a V8 on just 20% overunity, which is the most we've ever gotten out of HHO gas.  You can't even run it on 200% overunity.  You'll need at least 300% or more OU to get any usable power out of a standard chevy V8 engine (and that's assuming the engine is 30% efficient and the alternator is at least 80% efficient).  And those numbers are a strech, because older equipment is not quite as efficient as that.
 
- Paul
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Brad
To: Water4Gas@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 10:31 AM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Water4Gas] ECM's (electronic control modules) by Paul Zigouras
 
 

Well, I must say, that, those circuits on e-Bay are a bit spendy
for second rate circuits when there are better ones that can
get the job done more efficiently then the ones offered on e-Bay
that you can no longer sell.

Were the ones that you can no longer sell, capable of running a V8 efficiently?

If so then all one would have to do is basically make an impedence matching
citcuit that took into account all the variables going on inside an elyzer for
max efficiency. Which apparently you've already done.

I would sure like to see a video if you have one of a motor running a 100%
on your system that you can no longer sell.

Thanks.

Brad
 

This page last revised October 9, 2007

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