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Nothing new as of October 27, 2008 Pioneer Edelmann FamiliesThis page began through the inspiration of Harold Eddleman, and his volumes on Edelmann genealogy. After many years of searching my own family's roots, I came across his site on the web. He and other researchers have contributed a tremendous index of Edelmann's - what I found quite interesting was that many of them come from towns in relative close proximity in the Elsass (now France). Can a link between the posted clans ever be made? As information becomes more readily available around the globe on this superhighway, the search may become easier. This page continues from Harold Eddleman's, with the introduction of yet
another Edelmann who immigrated to the I dedicate this page to my great uncle, Dr. Erwin Dittler, whose research of our European Edelmann line is published in his book Johann Paul Edelmann (1665-1738) Schultheiß der Stabsgemeinde Goldscheuer. (Sonderdruck aus "Die Ortenau", Veröffentlichungen des Historischen Vereins für Mittelbaden, 66.Jahresband 1986) His book cites references, and footnotes also link to personal commentary. Quotes from this book will be offered - first in German, to avoid any loss in translation, and then a translation offered for those who cannot read German. Some words just do not have an English comparable. These must remain in German or an English analogy given. Uncle Erwin lived in Goldscheuer and traveled the areas in this story, researching Church Records that were spared from the many fires of war and local references that were written at the time, mentioning our Edelmann and their connection to our line. He was an academic, and skilled at reading Old German Script. Some clues were also found in the Family Bible that dates ca. 1700 and in the Dittler family possession. Uncle Erwin concludes his book with a summary of our line, and remarks
".....für eine größere Nachkommenschaft, deren Aufzählung hier zu
weit führen würde." [for a large number of descendants, when
counted, would be too much to carry on here.] The focus of his research was
our European ancestry - my search continues with the ancestors who left When reading on, you will also notice that some of the siblings are not known early in our line, i.e. ca. 1600. If you descend from an Edelmann from the Elsass, perhaps you and your ancestors will fit in here somewhere? The Verein für Heimatpflege Goldscheuer, Marlen, Kittersburg has established a site with valuable information on the history of the tri-cities, emigration, the local museum, etc. At present it is only available in the German language. Contents:· GEORG PAUL EDELMANN - HAGENAU, ELSASS SONJA JOSEFA FRIDA EDELMANNSonja Edelmann, a descendant of Georg Paul Edelmann (c.1600), immigrated to
Upon arrival at the Immigration Office in Like many new immigrants, Sonja maintained close ties with the German
cultural community. She met her future husband, Wilfried Koehler (Köhler),
also a new immigrant from After the birth of their daughter, Sonja's mother, Hermine Schätzle
(Edelmann)(Erhardt) came to The entire extended family lived together for several years, also typical
of new immigrants at the time. The older generation tended to the children
and home, while the younger generation worked. In 1959, their son Norman
Wilfried was born. In 1963, another daughter, Jasmine Sonja was born. Sonja
and Wilfried enjoyed many years of retirement, spending the winter months in Sadly, Sonja passed away September 9, 2001 in The most immediate thought that comes to mind about Sonja, is that she was an outstanding gourmet cook - Sauerbraten, Roladen, Schnitzel of any kind, Schmorbraten, Schweinebraten - any of these with Spätzle is the best, in my opinion! And then there's - Eintopf, Kartoffelsuppe, Gemüsensuppe, Einlaufsuppe, Kartoffelknödel, Rotkohl, Bohnensalat, Kartoffelsalat, Gurkensalat, Rollmops, Spinat mit Spiegelei - to name a few family favourites. You name it, she could cook it! People in an Ontario German Community have enjoyed her cooking at countless cultural events. She has also been asked to cook for visiting international hockey teams. GEORG PAUL EDELMANN - HAGENAU, ELSASSA SummaryThe earliest that Sonja Edelmann, her descendants and ancestors have traced their line is to Georg Paul Edelmann, who married in 1620 - I will refer to this branch as the Georg Paul Edelmann line. Below is a summary of our direct line back to Georg Paul. Siblings of descendants and their spouses, when known, will be discussed further on in this piece.
IntroductionAlthough not a name carrying Edelmann, I have a strong tie to this line. Through the growing years, I was reminded again and again, 'you have the Edelmann this or the Edelmann that'. It is peculiar how personality traits and disposition can reappear through a family. When speaking to descendants of Georg Paul, the pride associated with 'being an Edelmann' is obvious. In the same breath, I have also heard many stories of some kindred treated rather harshly and shunned by the family for behaviour, action, or belief. Some may say "Why" - only males descendants carry on a family's name. This piece is done in the interest of all of us who search our ancestry. Where no male descendants continue a family's name, the family history is easily lost. Perhaps names, dates, and events may help someone find their story - its all about sharing with other Edelmann kindred. The web is the ideal medium for anyone to delve into their roots and possibly find a missing piece of the puzzle. Spelling of EdelmannFamily saga has it that the surname has always been spelled EDELMANN, and never any variation thereof. This has been passed even to me, the 12th generation down from my ancestor, Georg Paul. Always spelled Edelmann - always with a single 'd' and double 'n'. ReligionAs far as I know, our direct line has been Catholic through the generations. LocationThe Georg Paul line stems from a very old Hagenau family, whose
descendants, through the generations were recorded in various towns in the
Elsass and neighbouring region, i.e. Marlen, Goldscheuer, Kittersburg, Kehl,
Oberschopfhiem, Haslach, Please refer to your maps to see the location of the towns in this story.
I use a map to set my bearings, and highlight the towns I am researching.
This helps to gain an appreciation of how close together they really
are. I will try to place towns with references that are commonly found on
today's maps - Hagenau is now part of Marlen, Kittersburg, Goldscheuer, Waseneck and Müllen were recognized in the history of the area as Stabsgemeinde Goldscheuer. The villages were documented with various spellings through history - Marlen as Marnheim, Marlenheim; Kittersburg as Kitterspurg [1424], Kuterspurg parochie Marnheim [1452], Kütterspurg; Goldscheuer as Goldschüre, Goltschüre, Goldscheyer; Müllen as Mulnheim [1139], Mülnheim [1356], Mülheim. Goldscheuer stems from the root word Goltschüre, and Goldwäscherei - Gold washing or panning for Gold. The village was also know in the 1600 for growing the best hemp in the world. This area of the Elsass and its people suffered many repeated periods of war. For some appreciation of its history, see Rick Heli's account of German Genealogy: Alsace / Elsass History. The Georg Paul Edelmann lives to the present day, with descendants in Ontario and British Columbia in Canada; New Jersey, Ohio, Illinois, California, and Colorado in the U.S.; Peru; Waiblingen, Kehl, Goldscheuer, and Freiburg in Germany; Spain; Toulouse in France; Mallorca; Holland. As I continued searching for the past 15 years or so, I was overwhelmed in November 1998, when I finally found my extended family that descended from one of my great great uncles who emmigrated to America in the late 1800's. I now have about 1085 people in our combined trees, with 8611 text files. Misplaced Ancestors?There were an additional eleven Edelmann found in Hagenau, some dating prior to Georg Paul, but their dates could not be bridged to Georg Paul. Our family believes that they are related, but how we don't know. There are too many gaps in the dates. References to these Edelmann from Hagenau are as follows:
Approach to Listing DescendantsThe approach to presenting the genealogy of this family is to head each generation with my direct ancestor, followed by siblings (and spouses) of that generation. This is where you, the reader, may find a common ancestor, or may be able to offer information to me. The next section gives an account of the Extended Family. Where no date or place is mentioned, it is not known. Nevertheless, children are listed in the believed birth order. THE EXTENDED FAMILYI. Georg Paul Edelmann & Catherina Gilertmarried August 1, 1620. This is the earliest confirmed information our family has established. Georg Paul most likely had many siblings - who they are, we do not know. Some of the above listed names may be siblings, but no conclusive evidence was found. However, we do know that this is an old Hagenau family. The only child found in our research is our direct ancestor, Johannes Paul Edelmann, born February 19, 1640. Again, there are most likely siblings - Johannes Paul was born 20 years after the marriage of his parents, so possibly is one of the younger children. Perhaps one of your ancestors might make a link to our tree here eventually! II. Johannes Paul Edelmann & Anna Maria Barthmarried in Hagenau, date unknown. Johannes Paul was known as the Engelwirt von Hagenau [the owner of an inn or pub called Engel]. Children of the marriage of Johannes Paul and Anna Maria Barth are:
This era in Elsass history was a difficult time for its residents - "einer Periode(1679-1696) von Anmaßung und Unterdrückung, von Gewalttaten und Aggressionen Frankreichs gegenüber seinen europäischen Nachbarn" (Dittler from Jürgen Voss - Geshcichte Frankreichs 2) [a period of arrogance and oppression, from French control and aggression against its European neighbors]. On September 16, 1677, one week after the birth of Maria Catherina, the entire town of Hagenau was burned. Franz Anton possibly became a priest. A footnote in Dr. Dittler's book - Franz Anton performed the marriage of a Klara Edelmann, born March 25, 1686 in Bühl, daughter of Johann Adam Edelmann. Spouses and children of this generation is not known, other than for my direct ancestor Johannes Paul. Did the parents Johannes Paul and Anna Maria flee the area with their children Johannes Paul, Maria Catharina, Anna Margaretha, and Maria Magdalena after the burning of Hagenau on September 16, 1677 - in which case Franz Anton was born elsewhere. If so, did they go to southern villages such as Oberschopfheim and Haslach as Johann Paul did later in his life? Or did they go to villages located north? Or - did they or their descendants go to America?? If Franz Anton became a priest, there would be no children. The 3 sisters may have married and been known by their married names. Who were the husbands of the 3 sisters? III. Johannes Paul Edelmann & Anna Barbara JäckleJohannes Paul was known as Wirt von Hagenau. On December 12, 1692, six Goldgulden were paid for "das Bürgerrecht in Straßburg" [citizen rights in Strasbourg](Dittler), at which time he was registered as being single. He most likely left Strasbourg in 1697 after which time he joined the army as "ein Soldat aus den Leibtruppen" [a soldier in the bodyguards of Markgraf Ludwig Wilhelm von Baden Baden]. To understand "Markgraf" see The German Nobility by Gilbert von Studnitz. The registers show a Marie Salome born on October 24, 1683, naming this Johannes Paul and Anna Margaretha Schanding as parents, however he never married at this time. Later in his life, Johannes Paul was the Schultheiß der Stabsgemeinde Goldscheuer [like a mayor of the greater district of Goldscheuer]. The Stabsgemeinde included the towns Goldscheuer, Kittersburg, Marlen, and Waseneck. Johannes Paul married Anna Barbara Jäckle on June 3, 1701. Barbara [born April 26, 1678 in Oberschopfheim] was the daughter of Mathias Jäckle, Stabhalter and Catharina Bruder from Oberschopfheim. The Jäckle family had roots in Switzerland. Mathias Jäckle live in Zimbli, know Diersburger Straße. There appears to be a very tight relationship between families - Godparents to Anna Barbara Jäckle were Johann Rederer (Röder, Röderer, Rederer) and Barbara Heitzmann. Anna Barbara had one brother, Mathias, born February 7, 1680. He married Maria Magdalena Rederer on February 9, 1705. Children of the marriage of Johannes Paul and Anna Barbara are:
Spouses of the above 4 children were:
IV. Valentin Edelmann & Magdalena WiesValentin married Magdalena Wies [b.? d. 1754] from Kittersburg on an unknown date. Valentin worked as a Zoller [tax collector, toll collector] and owned property in Oberschopfheim and Goldscheuer. The four children of the marriage were :
As the mother Magdalena died after the birth of her youngest daughter Magdalena, and the father Valentin died 2 years later, the children were left orphaned. They were separated and lived with 4 different related families. Barbara went to "Tante Catharina" [born 1699], Johannes went to Josef Wies [most likely his uncle, the brother of Magdalena], Xaver went to Michael Wies [again most likely his uncle, the brother of his mother Magdalena], and the infant Magdalena went to Georg End ["Tante Judith" died 4 years after her sister in law Magdalena]. Spouses of the above 4 children were:
V. Johannes Edelmann & Katharina Heitzmarried on January 13, 1777 place unknown. This generation is a critical point in the research of our genealogy. Johannes is the only child in this generation that continued the Edelmann name, as his brother Xaver, had no children. All the Edelmann from Goldscheuer descend from this Johannes Edelmann. Children of the marriage were:
Spouses of above children:
VI. Valentin Edelmann & Anna Maria Kopfmarried January 30, 1809 place unknown. Children of the marriage were:
Spouses of above children were:
VII. Paul Edelmann & Maria Anna Kuttererwere married in unknown place and date. Paul was known as "Küfer Paul" in Goldscheuer. This reflects on his occupation - Wagner Fassmacher - maker of wine barrels. Interestingly, his son Johann who emmigrated to the U.S., was in a related craft - making wagons. Maria Anna was the daughter of "des Wundarztes Kutterer, der als erster Ratschreiber der Gemeinde angestellt wurde". (~daughter of surgeon Kutterer, who was appointed the first record keeper of the municipality) Children of the marriage were:
Spouses of the above children were:
After searching for 15 years, I was overwhelmed in finding the descendants of Johann Edelmann and Martin Edelmann in November 1998. How did I find them? I remembered another family story of how my great great grandfather's brother, Johann, went to "Amerika" and began a business. I knew what the approximate name of the business might be, and researched the Business Directory for Cincinnati, Ohio. After making a 'cold call', names and dates of birth were compared, and a match was found!! I later learned that Uncle Johann joined forces with his nephew, Martin, and his son-in-law Alwin Bantz, in this business. To protect the privacy of this branch, living descendants' names are not published in this page. VIII. Ludwig Edelmann & Franziska Marzlufwere married on June 6, 1876 in unknown place, most likely Goldscheuer. Franziska was born October 30, 1854. Children of the marriage were:
Spouses of the above children were:
I would like to hear from the descendants of the above marriages, most likely located in France and Germany. Wenn Sie einige dieser Namen kennen, bitte schicken Sie einen E-mail so, wir Notizen vergleichen können. IX. Josef Edelmann & Maria Magdalena Hansertmarried on January 18, 1909 in unknown place. Maria was known her entire life as Maria Müller, even after she acquired the name Edelmann through marriage. Müller refers to the trade of her birth family - they were millers. The name 'Hansert' arises from Hanseatic, referring to the trade guild. Children of the marriage were:
Spouses of the above children:
Also in this generation is August Rudolph Edelmann (son of Johann Edelmann and Barbara Müller, born 1898) who had one daughter - she remains unmarried. She lives in Ohio, and is the only name carrying Edelmann from our family who I am aware of in the U.S. X. Franz Edelmann & Hermine Schätzlewere married about 1934 in Kehl. Children of the marriage were:
Spouses of the above children:
Franz and Hermine divorced, and Franz remarried - to Martha Endris. From the second marriage a son was fathered (Generation XI). This son married, and also has one son (who is in Generation XII). XI. Sonja Josefa Frida Edelmann & Wilfried Koehlermarried in Canada. Children of the marriage are:
Also in this generation is:
XII. No male descendants in Canada or U.S., several in GermanyThere are numerous descendants of this generation in Canada and the U.S., but none of them name carrying Edelmann. There are many name carrying Edelmann in Germany that I know of. Bitte schreiben Sie ein e-mail ConclusionAlthough this family history may appear extensive, there is still room for it to grow. There are so many Edelmann and variations of the spelling, searching their genealogy. I'm hoping that when others can establish their European roots, and as more Edelmann become involved, the missing pieces of the puzzle will be found. I have tried to be as complete as possible in listing names of siblings and their spouses. The more that is known, the easier a link to other families may be found. I've posted questions directly with the generation it relates to (written in contrasting font colour). In my opinion, these are key areas some of the American Edelmann looking for their European ancestry could possibly make a link, and where I would like to find out more. I will update information as I find it. At this point I believe I have exhausted the retrieval of information from living relatives that I know of. Now I must wait for others to come forward!
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